Emmeline Clein was joined by literary it-girl Cat Marnell to talk Ozempic, Reddit feminism, and the pervasiveness of eating disorders.
, hits bookshelves today. “And unfortunately, that lesson is one that’s not going to allow us to be healthy or reach our full potential, so we need to unlearn it together.”offers a personal and unconventional look at disordered eating, a mental illness which kills almost as many people as opioid abuse. But that’s rarely afforded any real attention in our healthcare system or by our larger cultural establishment.
MARNELL: That’s a really good point. I would argue that depression gets way more attention than addiction in this country, and then eating disorders get even less attention than addiction. You’re right. Overseas, in the UK, there’s a place where I spent a lot of time where there is much more attention and treatment paid to both addiction and eating disorders. I really appreciated your in-depth writing about so many different treatment models, problematic or not.
People usually come into the situation where they’re ready to surrender and heal, but you rarely have money in the bank when that happens, which is why treatment models for addiction are so much better. For alcoholics, for example, there’s essentially group therapy that’s free that you can go to every single day
MARNELL: You cover that with so much detail in your book, and it’s really good. I’m sitting here with you, knowing this is going to be published, and I’m speaking right now to this scariness of talking publicly about eating disorders. As a writer who is a wild party girl—”Cat Marnell, la-di-da”—I’ve had eating disorders attached to my name, but I don’t actually go into it overtly because it gets too mean.
MARNELL: I guess we should address Ozempic. You go into it a little in the book. I’ve actually turned the page on that and don’t want to Ozempic-shame people. People deserve not to be tortured about wanting to lose weight. When that drug first came out, I was like, “You know what? If this really fucking makes people lose weight…” I am always of the belief that losing weight makes you insane. Any time I’ve ever lost weight, it’s at the cost of my mental health.
CLEIN: Also, evolutionarily, after every restrictive period your body thinks it was in a famine, so it’s going to make you hungrier for an extended period after that restrictive period once you break it, which is why so many people cycle between anorexia and binge-eating disorder, anorexia and bulimia. We’ve seen this since the 1950s, we just don’t care to admit it. Diets simply don’t work, because a diet is basically just a tricycle version of an eating disorder.
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