In her first major interview since testifying against Donald Trump, Marie Yovanovitch, the former U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine, discusses Russia’s war on the nation and Trump’s attack on her.
Will that lead to regime change? It’s hard for me to believe. Putin’s inner circle is very small, and I don’t even know how much influence they have. It seems very little.Rather than delving into crazy conspiracy theories, I think what’s important is just to understand that this is about President Putin. It’s about his actions. It’s about a military invading a peaceful neighbor. It’s crazy to talk about de-Nazification when you have a Jewish President. It’s beyond the pale.
In “Lessons from the Edge,” you describe in vivid detail your dismay watching Trump’s Inaugural Address. You were already Ambassador to Ukraine at the time. What did you think his Presidency was going to mean for you and the job and diplomatic relations? Or another part of the anatomy? You know, nobody likes to reform, not in the U.S., not overseas. It’s hard work, right? Even if you don’t have a personal stake in it. And many of the people in the Ukrainian government did have a personal stake [in the status quo], because some of the reforms being suggested would have stopped the party.
You were caught in the crosshairs of history. Trump’s men wanted you out of the way. Corrupt Ukrainian officials wanted you out of the way. And you ended up not only fired by the President but testifying in his impeachment trial, after the Administration warned you against it. How did you approach that testimony? You showed up to Capitol Hill in sunglasses, looking ready.
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