“I do think this is not the last indictment,” Jill Lepore says. “I also don’t think this indictment is likely to run its course before the next election.”
—there’s no such provision for [Supreme Court Justices]. So Supreme Court Justices’ papers are their personal property still, the way it used to be for the President, before Nixon.You know, I think there are arguments about why that’s a good thing—why that’s right, and why that’s in the interest of justice. And there are real criticisms to be made, even, about the Presidential Records Act. That kind of radical transparency, in some ways, impedes people’s ability to govern.
You mentioned that, in Washington’s case, the papers were mostly just his personal stuff. The documents that Trump had have been described as containing national-security secrets. To what extent are the kinds of documents that Presidents are supposed to turn over today used on an ongoing basis by the government? One document that Trump reportedly has outlines a plan of attack against Iran.
That’s been one of the more striking things about the indictment. When this story began, some of the documents that were said to be in Trump’s possession were letters from a foreign leader that had been written to him. You could get the sense of, like, “Oh, maybe he just wants a keepsake.
I do think we should take these charges very seriously. I also think we need to take very seriously the consequences of continued indictments against former Presidents. This was the issue with the—when people said it is unprecedented. In a way, I think that indictment was a little bit about setting up the future indictments, so they wouldn’t have to bear the burden of being the first, and could actually be observed on the merits of the case. I don’t know if that was deliberate.
When Trump invokes politics, he also talks about how Biden kept classified documents at home, and, of course, there was Hillary and her e-mails. Even Mike Pence was found to have documents. Whatthe main difference here between Trump and those other politicians? Is it that he refused to give the documents back? Or is it that he’s Trump?a few years ago, soon after Trump took office, when people in his Administration or in his circle started being arrested.
That does seem to be at least one motivation of his. It seems like he was showing documents to friends or to allies. We’ll find out more as the case goes on, but it looks like he was looking for bragging rights.
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