On this 'Face the Nation' broadcast, Sen. J.D. Vance and Sen. Gary Peters join Margaret Brennan.
On this 'Face the Nation' broadcast, moderated by Margaret Brennan: Sen. J.D. Vance, Republican of Ohio Sen. Gary Peters, Democrat of MichiganOksana Markarova, Ukrainian ambassador to the U.S.Chris Krebs, the former director of CISA and a CBS News cybersecurity expert and analystFormer Defense Secretary Robert GatesClick here to browse full transcripts of 'Face the Nation.'
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That's Nikole Killion in Atlanta. And we're joined now in studio by Ohio Republican Senator J.D. Vance. Good to have you here. But we're also looking at a pretty tight race in the Senate. So, I wonder, do you think you're more helpful to him in the Senate or in the White House? You were out there with automakers who were striking a few months back. And you've been very broadly supportive of tariffs. Why are you opposed to President Biden, then, putting tariffs on batteries and electric vehicles and other technology from China? It seems inconsistent.
Well, he's targeted these pretty directly. … all tariffs, though on – on – but, to your point, all tariffs, which you're – you seem to be in favor of, they're inflationary. So how is the Trump-Vance idea here going to help make things more affordable for people, if you're putting taxes on goods they're purchasing from overseas?
Manufacturing jobs came back? Yes. We haven't heard a lot of specifics. I mean, there's been ranges of a 10 percent to 60 percent tariffs. Do you know what the plan is? I want to ask you about some of the things you've said about American universities. I know you've been very critical of them. You gave an interview in February. You said: 'The closest conservatives have ever gotten to successfully dealing with the left-wing domination of universities is Viktor Orban's approach in Hungary.
Is that what you're advocating for, federal government control? But so – but Viktor Orban, in particular, as you know, I mean, he – he rewrote the constitution. He neutered the courts. He has tried to control the media. These are not necessarily conservative principles. So why would you want to mimic him?
Well, he was just welcomed at Mar-a-Lago. And – and, as you know, Leader McConnell just spoke out on the floor of the Senate this past week after Xi Jinping visited Hungary. He's trying to broker trade deals. They're brokering trade deals, not just with Russia, but with Iran. Orban – because of this – McConnell said it should be a red flag for anyone seriously concerned about competition with China.
You – you've talked a lot about the – the need for the United States to pivot to Asia… You're – because you've really been opposed to helping Ukraine in its fight. You've said a lot of things that are suggestive… Eighty percent of it funds the U.S. defense industrial base from the – the supplemental that just passed.
I want to ask you about abortion… You said back in 2022 that a proposal to limit abortion access after 15 weeks of pregnancy was something you would support and some minimal national standard. What is the minimum national standard that you want the federal government to have on abortion? Right. But you want a minimum federal standard.
Prohibited under that Hyde Amendment. But – so you don't have a – a minimum national standard? Yes. We turn now to Michigan Democratic Senator Gary Peters. Good morning to you, Senator. Well… So, should -you - are you confident? OK. But that is what's happening down-ballot, but President Biden in the state of Arizona is down five points versus Donald Trump. So what is – what are they missing at the top of the ticket here?
Well, in Florida and Arizona, we polled in both of those states. By almost 3-1, voters say President Trump would be better for their finances than President Biden. In Arizona, Trump has a 10-point advantage on the specific question of, who cares about people like you a lot? And the economy, again and again, number one issue. What can President Biden do to fix that?
Well, that is why – that is why it is… Does he need to talk about it more? Right. But he consistently talks about immigration. President Biden very, very, very rarely discusses the things that you were talking about. And, on immigration, we just see that these policies here, 13 percent of Biden – say Biden's policies benefit U.S. citizens over immigrants. Trump policies overwhelmingly are viewed as more positive. I mean, there's just a perception issue here.
All right. And we know President Biden is headed to your home state of Michigan shortly. Thank you very much, Senator Peters. Face the Nation will be back in one minute. Stay with us. Well, it was, as always, very candid, very good, very productive discussion. The secretary has been there for two days, so not just meeting with the president, which, of course, has been very deep on every aspect of our strategic friendship, but also with prime minister, with Vice Prime Minister Fedorov, so many visits. Most importantly, I think it was good to align what are we going to do, how we are going to – to put to the best use these funds that Congress has provided.
My colleague Norah O'Donnell interviewed the pope at the Vatican last month. And you can watch it tonight on 60 Minutes, plus a one-hour prime-time special this Monday at 10:00 p.m. Right. You know - you just mentioned an upcoming summit in Ramstein. C.Q. Brown, the chair of the Joint Chiefs, told reporters Ukraine has asked the United States for help to strike inside Russia. The U.S. has been afraid to have U.S. weapons used in that kind of a strike. What is it that Ukraine's seeking to do?
And in Ukraine. Interesting. Ambassador, thank you for providing us that update. We'll be right back. Well, you know, all these claims are despite any credible evidence being presented in the courts or, you know, to everyone else and the experts out there. We're continuing to see claims of problems with 2020, even 2022, the midterms. So, I think the incentive structures, the way they're aligned right now, it - it creates plenty of room and a permissive environment for those to allege that there are problems.
The vast majority of votes cast in the United States right now are with a paper trail. There is a small percentage that are recorded down on election - election systems, but that's for accessibility purposes, for those that may have visual impairment or otherwise. And it's important to ensure open and accessible voting processes. The one-day voting - this push, this drive, it's actually counterproductive.
It's going to be a steady drum beat where we, where the voters, the public, are just going to lose confidence and trust in the overarching information ecosystem. Absolutely. And this is where it's important for the tech platforms to ensure they're on the lookout for it. Absolutely. I think you'd probably see significantly different domestic policies in - in a number of areas. I think one thing he's been clear about for a long time is the need for tariffs to protect American industry and so on. I think he would also have a different approach in many - in many areas with respect to foreign policy and in terms of trying to end the war in Ukraine.
I think that he gained a lot of credibility with the speed with which he assembled the coalition of partner countries, allies and friends, before, during and after the Russian invasion of Ukraine, putting together that three dozen countries willing to help Ukraine with money, with military assistance and so on.
There are a variety of other sanctions that are available to the administration and to the Europeans that - that could bring additional pressure on the Chinese at a time when their economy is not doing very well. I think the notion of deploying NATO troops into Ukraine causes a lot of domestic concern, not just in this - in the United States, but in Europe as well. I don't think you take things off the table, but I - but I also don't think you put them on the table in an explicit way. You know, part of my problem is that our government talks too much and some other governments talk too much as well. Sometimes it's better just to do things and not tell people you're doing them.
I think - I think we are clearly - and there's going to have to be more training of - of the Ukrainians, particularly with their new conscription law and - and a number of new young people coming into the Ukrainian military. Rather than get into specific personalities, I just think that people need to open their eyes and - and be willing to listen to other points of view and be willing to learn, particularly from people who have been around, like Senator McConnell and others, who - who can help him understand - help him and others understand that - that this is a different kind of aggression by far than what happened in Iraq in 2003. And - and there is no assurance that - that Putin will stop with Ukraine.
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